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May 18, 2008 6:40 PM  (go back to main view)
100,000 exposures later… [part II] - Shooting with my wife
Today I took out my Leica R8 film camera with motor drive and the 90mm Summicron f/2.0 for a swing.

Although it’s a wonderful camera to look through and work with, what really turn me off is that it will take 3-4 days for the film to get developed.

It’s a heavy camera to carry around, and is very noticeable. It’s like all people in a too large radius are aware a photographer is present.


This all led me to the idea the PART II of my blog post from March 26 was appropriate.

Some weeks ago my wife and I had agreed we would shoot some pictures of her. She never wanted to become a model but basically just wanted to take advantage that she’s married to a photographer so she could get some professional Facebook profile photos to choose from!

I can state without any doubt that she had to put more work into it than I, because she was the one who had to prepare the dresses, had her eyebrows fixed on Thursday, went up early Saturday to get our four year old daughter Robin to her grandmother, then went to the hairdresser to get her hair ready.

I might have been sleeping while most of this was going on. At least I don’t remember anything before we had a relaxing brunch in the morning, after the hairdresser.

Some of you might be familiar with the term DOGME which Danish film director Lars von Trier invented which is basically doing a film (or shoot) without any fancy props and all.

Lars von Trier is a complete nut head, but nevertheless the father of DOGME
Lars von Trier is a complete nut head, but nevertheless the father of DOGME
Danish film industry is actually in a kind of crisis at the curren Cannes Film Festival because Lars von Trier isn't producting anything right now. He's been the crative inspiration for many years till he got onto antidepressants - which is the sure way to kill creativity and life.

Anyway, DOGME is a method I find usable, in my way, for digital photography for several reasons:

A) I can work alone with a camera and a reflector – thus be personal and relaxed with the model without assistants fumbling around.

B) I can work fast.

C) The method doesn’t require much planning and thus

D) Anything can happen

E) Why you often provoke the lucky shots, you can never plan anyway.

F) The digital camera allow manual white balance why any light is the right light.

What the method consist of, in my case, is a Leica Digilux 2 camera over the shoulder, a few extra batteriers and memory cards, a 60cm or 100 cm (in diameter) silver silver reflector. That was the equipment.

The location is walking from point A to point B in any given city and find interesting light, locations and backgrounds along the route.

Interstign light is the first to look after, the most important ingredient.

I’ll show another example of this in a later post, how Noelle Schaggs and I did this in Copenhagen recently.

But if you get the impression that it’s just me and another person walking through town, you’re very right.

It’s not that my wife hasn’t proposed many locations and ideas in the weeks prior to this shoot and I’ve nodded and said “that’s a great idea, I’ll check that out.” But when we came to the actual shoot, here’s what we did.

We started out in the dark cellar under the public library because I thought it could make her look intellectual amongst all the old books they hide down there. I might have thought about, also, some years ago I saw a really beautiful girl in that very cellar and had fantasies about her, the cellar and I. Maybe that played in, but what we did, my wife and I, was pure professional work:

Besides a little too much PS, I like this
Besides a little too much PS, I like this

This one she didn’t like, though I see potential in it as a stock photo
This one she didn’t like, though I see potential in it as a stock photo

We also went upstairs of the library where there was an elevator:

She thought this was almost a bit too wild for her image
She thought this was almost a bit too wild for her image
This is a rather pointless photo. Looks like the ones in articles about someone who experienced something unpleasant, and got over it…

So that was the library. Next stop was an arty café on a second floor where we had a coffee while discussing if she should change clothes og keep that one on. So while being relaxed, I shot this one:

We both like this one, and her hairdresser too.
We both like this one, and her hairdresser too.
On our way out there was a nice hallway where we did some that did not work out (so don’t look for them). But at the entrance I liked this door behind her that make the picture look rather Swedish and natural:
My wife doesn't fancy this, but I do
My wife doesn't fancy this, but I do

This full figure one works good and relaxed.
This full figure one works good and relaxed.
In fact, the original idea for the photoshoot was that I wanted my wife to pose in those Gentlemens Affair trousers so I could use the shot to compare with the companys own shots in a lecture I will do later for fashion companies.

The brands own photo of the same Goldie trousers
The brands own photo of the same Goldie trouse

Remembering this, we made sure to get a few more making the point I wanted to make (which mainly is that one should be able to see the trousers in full and not only from the hip and up):

This is a cozy little street not far from the library where we started out.
This is a cozy little street not far from the library where we started out.

We did yet another portrait in that street as the light was interesting.
We did yet another portrait in that street as the light was interesting.

After that we changed dress, which was a kinky experience. In the car, in front of the city hall, my wife too off most of the dress and slipped into something more comfortable. Which in this case was a grey dress.

While she undressed and all I kept an eye with the windows in the bank opposite to make sure there were no tele lenses pointed at the car…

Forgive me for I have no pictures of that.


In the museum ARoS we did some shots on the top floor where we were surrounded by white walls, with lots of light coming in from the top and the sides. Plus, actually, some sun coming in from behind me, reflected by two white walls – one on each side of her. The result is an almost studio lit portrait which she’s very happy with (and her hairdresser too).
I’ll get back to what exactly I do with the files in post production. But let me just give you the statistics on this. We did 1,163 files in less than three hours (including the coffee brak) and from that I selected ca. 15 files that I finished in PhotoShop so they look great in A4 print on gloss photopaper. I spend 3-8 minutes per picture in PS, no more, and I always use the same handful of tools. All something I will get back to in a later post.

One thing you might wonder is the 1,163 files.

Leica Digilux 2
Leica Digilux

Thing is, when I shoot with the Digliux 2, I shoot series of three photos at one time. I do that because I often shoot low light at 1/8, 1/30 or something and when shooting series of three pictures with a camera without any moving mirrors and no sounds whatsoever, the only vibration is when I press the shutter and when or if either I or the subject move.

Shooting series, the first will be with a slight movement from the shutter, the next two possible without any movement. And doing a series of three shots in a row will result in one or more usable pictures.

Next issue is that people tend to turn their head, instruct them self, open their mouth, blink with their eyes, asking me if I think this looks ok, put a hand in their hair – and so on. Taking series you will be amazed how many movements happen and what difference they do for a picture.

Again, having a bulk to choose from, at least one will be great, given the circumstances, light and all is perfect too.

And one great shot is all you need.

The Digilux 2 produce stellar JPG files in not too big sizes why the files are easily toggled around in a database.

There’s no doubt this shooting in series of three and generally using the camera like a machine gun on the last day of the war is a digital style. And it’s also a style I developed solely for this camera, as it’s small size files and the camera is noiseless. Had the camera said click or slapped a mirror each time, it would be embarrassing and unpleasant for the model.

I often do 40-80 files and people ask, “did you get a picture of that?”

So learning “the soul“ of certain camera and developing a shooting style with that camera is key. Some cameras never work for you, others you find a style that work.

For each of my cameras I have a different style – it’s almost an relationship – and it affects both the way I use them, as well as how and what I shoot with them.

Hope this was interesting. At least now you know my wife and I will get back with more. Next time I guess I’ll go over our fellow forum member Noelle Schaggs (who is just now preparing a new Uber site) and who is Wünderbar and Über in front of a camera.

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Blog Comments (16):
Posted by mahomo on May 20, 2008 4:13 PM
beautiful stuff mate, love the lift one too :D
Posted by Thorsten O... on May 20, 2008 5:39 PM
Thanks.
Posted by Tigran on May 20, 2008 12:29 PM
This was a great article to read! thanks for all the commentary on your process, it makes the pictures alot more interesting to look at.
I love the one in the cafe! When you compare it with the rest, you can really tell how her expression is engaging. Once you flip to the images below it, they seem more like she is waiting for a photo to be taken. But I think the one in the cafe is a perfect moment.
Posted by Thorsten O... on May 20, 2008 5:27 PM
Haven't thought about "waiting for a photo to be taken" but, besides having a good ring to it - could be a song! - it's an interesting way of seeing it. I may use that.
Posted by Mark Taylo... on May 20, 2008 11:58 AM
Great post, I think you read my mind as I have been wondering about your shooting style recently.
Really nice images, I like the full length one against the door and also the closeup with the head tilted sideways.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Cheers
Posted by Thorsten O... on May 20, 2008 5:27 PM
Hope you don't think my style has beome sloppy looking ;-)
Posted by Mark Taylo... on May 20, 2008 6:10 PM
Sloppy? Never!
I meant I was wondering as in "I wonder how that shot was lit...reflectors?" etc.
Looking forward to hearing more about all this in your blog.
Posted by Treamus on May 20, 2008 8:06 AM
Very well written as usual. About a third of my class back in film school were Danish, all of them obsessed with DOGME film making.
Also are there any unattractive women in Denmark, because every one I've ever met is beautiful.
Posted by Thorsten O... on May 20, 2008 5:30 PM
I think my area of Denmark is the one most famous for not having lack of beautiful women. It's kind of crazy. So if you are in need of a wife, come by.
I don't know why he came up with dogme. In relation to what I do, I could think he was tired of all the people around the set and all the waiting. But I don't know, and I'm not sure dogme make the actors and the set wait less.
Posted by Chris on May 19, 2008 12:47 PM
"i can work fast"?

6-8 minutes on each file in photoshop? that isn't fast, mate! ;)

you don't like aperture?????

still love your wife's haircut; it suits her so well.

and ... amazing photos as usual. i think i may have to read this again when i have more than a few minutes.
Posted by Thorsten O... on May 20, 2008 5:24 PM
Nine-ten locations in 2-3 hours is fast, my dear. Aperture takes too much control of my archiving so I like PS for edit and iView Media Pro as database (DAM, as they call it, Digital Asset Management).
You will see in a later post what I fix in PS that takes 3-8 minutes per file. Can't be done automatically, if it could, it would. I so much hate working in PS for days.
Posted by Richard Po... on May 19, 2008 10:20 AM
Great info and very nice pictures! I like the one you and your wife like (with head tilted to the side) also the full body shot walking on the old street, next to the bike.
Very nice! :)
Posted by Thorsten O... on May 20, 2008 5:34 PM
Thanks. My wife like the one where she looks very strict the best. I think my favorite is the one where she looks "swedish" and casual (against the white door).
Don't know what makes people click on self portraits, if it's what they think they are, what they would like to become or when surprised how the can look. In self-portraits, of which I have taken too few, I like when I look like someone playing a character.
I get a lot of responses from people that they now have gotten a picture where they really like them self. I should ask why... Could be interesting to know.
Posted by Richard Po... on May 29, 2008 1:51 PM
Yes! Could be very interesting :) I also like the pictures of myself where I look more like a character. That would be a great exercise to look as those tendencies.
Posted by sarchi on May 18, 2008 8:21 PM
think the expression in the lift is probably original
love the one you like too
Posted by Thorsten O... on May 20, 2008 5:38 PM
She wasn't comfortable with being a model for the first hour and in that one I asked her to do something she thought was a bit too daring, which created an reaction of teenage bad behavior (which is some of the most fun, as we know)
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Oct 06, 2008 8:42 PM
cheers for the add, really loving the photography ;>!!
Oct 07, 2008 4:53 AM
Thanks
Oct 06, 2008 7:13 PM
i cannot express with words how talented i think you are. each one of your photos have captivated me.
Oct 07, 2008 4:54 AM
Wow, thanks a lot. I've been drifting on that remark for the last 15 hours or so ;-)
Oct 06, 2008 9:00 AM
I like your page its so awsume
Oct 07, 2008 4:54 AM
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Oct 03, 2008 9:53 PM
Thank you so much for the very kind words, Thorsten. Getting that from a working photojournalist is always a real compliment. :) I started shooting in 2005, and the oldest photo in my uber portfolio is just from 2006. Definitely hoping to be even better in years to come! Thanks once again, and cheers from Indonesia!
Oct 07, 2008 4:58 AM
Well, you're simply the most talented guy I've seen in a long time ... or longer. You're basically at a level where the only thing you should aim at developing is the message. What do you want to tell with your pictures. And I hope you don't go the "World Press" way with hopelessness but go for a the message of life, spirit and hope.
Oct 03, 2008 2:53 AM
Yay! I think your efforts are giving results, alot of people is joining in and somehow it seems even more alive now...

Greetings from México!
Oct 07, 2008 4:59 AM
Hope to be of some service. It's a great and unique community.
Oct 02, 2008 8:59 AM
I've been reading you for about a half hour now. Beautiful photos. Your children are dolls.
Cant wait to see more!
Oct 07, 2008 5:00 AM
Thanks. You just inspired me to do another post. When you see three kids in one picture, that's the one for you!
Oct 01, 2008 5:32 AM
hello there :)
thanks for the add!
what's up?
Oct 07, 2008 5:00 AM
It's all up. Yes you can!
Sep 25, 2008 6:50 AM
hi there! i'm gonna miss your work!! hope uber will do something about this shutting it down thing...
Sep 25, 2008 8:29 AM
It's not over yet!

But in any case Chris, Darren and I will be blogging as well at http://aphotocontributor.typepad.co m
Sep 19, 2008 3:07 AM
Hi, I have been watching your photography work for a bit and I really like them because it is rare from a professional photographer to shot real people with real emotions especially from famous people.
Sep 24, 2008 5:57 PM
Thanks a lot
Sep 18, 2008 9:18 AM
Hey Thorsten.
I bought myself a used Leica R4. Now I'm in the R gang too. Part of this is because of your influence. The camera isn't in perfect condition, but it was affortable. I'll run a test roll thourgh it and probably use it for a reportage on Sunday.

Feels nice. Summicron 50/2 looks good and I hope it comes up to expectation. Should be pretty similar to M.

So well, now I am even more a red-dot elitist. But I don't care, I use other cameras too, Leicas are just good. Form a first glance I think that R is largerly underrated.

Ric
Sep 18, 2008 9:27 AM
Hey, that's great. Congratulations.

Chris will be green of envy ;-) and that's his own damn fault ;-)

The R4 is actually a nice camera and a nice size and sound. And it's easy to get one as many were produced and it is said to have a "faulty electronics." (Which mean that some R4 go dead, but I've never had any problems with mine).

You can probably find an inexpensive winder or motor to go with it. Gives an even better hold on it and balance.

The 50mm f/2.0 is reputed to be one of the best 50mm lenses in the world. And still is. I find 50mm a bit dull as I prefer 80mm mostly - but I must admit I'm blown by the quality of the Summicron 50mm f/2 when I use it.
Sep 18, 2008 1:42 PM
Yes, sure. Electronics. A photographer I know, which has anything from Leicaflex to R8..., told me: look my brand new R4 went dead pretty soon. If you buy an R4 now, it most probably has survived. A visual check shows that mine works, a couple of films will tell.

As much as I love M... this R is nice. Leicaflexes are very expensive and in any case, having an electronic SLR with good exposure is pretty nice. Working with flash is easier too.

The R4 is the smallest of the series, this is also why I have chosen it. The only thing I miss is the 1/2000", which would allow me to open my lens more. The camera fits well in the hand.


80mm is nice for reportage, concert photos. I like the 50, but sometimes you can't get near enough or you need the tele-effect.

I pretty much like the 90/2 with its fancy retractable lens-hood. Probably if I find myself using the camera, I'll look for one.

I'll blog about the camera probably!

So when you come to Italy or I go to Denemark, we will have even more material for a chat, hah!

PS: I so much wished Leica would introduce a new digital back: it would keep the R system alive (no, I don't want a full digital R camera). Imagine a full-frame module! Slap it in for some newspaper work and put your slide or b&w film in when you can have more time for your images.
Sep 16, 2008 12:59 AM
Hi Thorsten,

I just downloaded one of your free e-books, 20 Portraits of 2007. Excellent work! Love the images. Are you going to release another one for 2008?

Thanks,
Mathew
Sep 18, 2008 9:28 AM
Glad you liked it. I liked the idea so I might do it again in January 2009 of the 2008 portraits.

I'm also planning to do a 2004-2008 photo book but that's a slightly bigger project. Might be a 2004-2010 book then ;-)
Sep 15, 2008 4:59 PM
Thank u so much for the Comment.

I was totally deep inside your pictures and works, this sort of life without moves, but full of energy.


I look forward that we can have the time to meet/ speak/ work together.

I' m really feeling the energy on your page.

Peace and Light.
Sep 18, 2008 9:30 AM
Well, we might work with something one day. You know I worked with Noelle? (will be blogging about it when she get her site updated)
Sep 12, 2008 8:58 AM
Your uber is really interesting
Sep 18, 2008 9:30 AM
Thanks.
Sep 09, 2008 7:39 AM
I really enjoyed reading your blog!
Sep 09, 2008 9:53 AM
Happy to hear response like that. Thanks!
Aug 25, 2008 3:47 PM
hey,

thanks for the comment. My M8 is MOSTLY a camera for personal work, so no backup unfortunately. I use Canon's for work...the minute either Leica or Mamiya release a digital rangefinder with 16-22mp, I'll ditch my Canon setup....

Anyways, great work. keep me posted.
andy
Sep 09, 2008 9:54 AM
That day will come. Wonde what will happen the day all cameras are 100MP... which qualities photographers will start looking for instead of size
Aug 19, 2008 1:04 PM
Aug 19, 2008 11:47 AM
nice page
Sep 09, 2008 9:52 AM
Thank you, belatedly!
Aug 07, 2008 8:42 PM
xoxo hope all is well!
Aug 06, 2008 5:12 AM
any chance we can see thoose judas priest shots of yours ?
Aug 11, 2008 5:19 PM
Will be doing a Rock'n roll post soon and will make sure to include them...!
Aug 11, 2008 7:10 PM
can't wait !
Jul 29, 2008 6:11 AM
Impressive work, nice gallery. I'm new to uber and your blog is great, hopefully I'll add some photos representing my country soon. I like your style as a documentary photographer, very informative and beautiful.