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Photographing Bill Clinton (part III)

[Continued from part II yesterday] See the previous blogs on this story:

The possible irony of being ambitious (Photographing Bill Clinton part 0)

Photographing Bill Clinton (part I)

Photographing Bill Clinton (part II)

Intuition is a great thing. We may find it weird how we know something is wrong the moment we step in a room, or know that somebody is on the other side of a wall, or how we know who’s the person behind the ringing of our cell phone in the pocket.

Intuition is seldom wrong.

In this case, I spotted a “coffee” sign 20 meters away when I was about to leave the scene. And I don’t know – I just did. So I get inside this coffee bar instantly, like flying, because I know Clinton won’t let a coffee bar go unvisited.

Right here I am. I’m already in when Clinton enters.

What a great spot to be in.

The four girls serving coffee, me, Clinton and a local photographer.

Jesus, it’s just us.

It’s a perfect scene; I even have the guts to think the other photographer is local so I will be solo with this on international wire. The local photographer will only cover local papers. This is not only unique; I will also make it the most aesthetic picture the world has ever seen of an ex-president drinking coffee.

It’s not that I’m ignorant as to how much money a solo picture of Clinton drinking coffee can earn, or the possibility a picture that could potentially be historic will actually be happening here within the next few minutes.

Mainly I’m already speculating how to earn me the right to the greatest shot ever taken of Clinton drinking coffee.

My ideal of presidential photography is in the great Leica tradition of the White House photographers, and Robert McNeely is right up there amongst the best with his book The Clinton Years.

Here’s a shot of Robert McNeely from his book. It’s Clinton and Powell having a crack about some comics.

I know, the photo of Britney without underwear probably has been seen by more people in one day than the entire lifelong production of Robert McNeely.

But it’s the quality of the communication that counts. His pictures have created a unique impact that is worth much more.

There’s this policy about only taking pictures that will do good things for the people. I read that in Ron the Photographer and it’s kind of a great policy in guiding you as to which photos to take and which not when you are around people of fame.

If it’s not doing anything good for them, don’t do it.

Anyway.

It’s along the lines of Robert McNeely I’m thinking.

I am alone with Clinton in a coffee bar.

Except there’s now four Secret Service guys inside too as well.

They look at me.

Clinton tell them “It’s all right”

I already plan angles, light and everything for Clinton and I doing one-on-one photos of him enjoying a peaceful coffee while the crowd is waiting outside.

Coffee is good.

While I plan, I shoot what happens. Rather automatically. I haven’t made a plan yet. I haven’t “seen” the shot I will be doing. Yet.

But we will be having a great time. He might recognize, probably even enjoy, the silence of the Leica snapping perfect frames.

If there’s a camera that has been around, and continues to be around, presidents in the White House, it’s Leica. All White House photographers use Leica.

A Leica must be like a family member to him. He will enjoy being alone with it.

Now.

The Secret Service guy say something which translates to “Get the fuck out now”

Clinton repeats, “It’s all right” with his distinctive hoarse voice, in an almost tired way. It reminds me of Godfather.

I tell the Secret Service guy “It’s all right. He said so”

He repeats his “please, out” both oral and with a hand. He’s both in my ears and in my viewfinder and it’s really not him I want to see.

Ah, fuck.

I’m a decent guy, I’m not a paparazzi or something. They say go, I go.

Can’t request Clinton to back it up in the middle of a coffee bar. I get out. Maybe I got something anyways.

This thing had already come too far. No chance I could have changed the mind of Secret Service at that point.

I see, I retroperspective I should have gone hang back. I should have gone to the counter and just hang there and wait peacefully for the scene to fall to rest. I should have done that from the first instant I entered the place.

Order an espresso, be worthy, get into the ‘I belong in this scene’ character. Instead of moving around.

If there’s one thing that consistently work, it’s not being pushy but just be in the corner like a fly on the wall. Not doing anything but wait to get some peaceful time with the subject.

What then usually happens is that an assistant or the celebrity approaches you to hear what you want to do. Because you look like one who has a special appointment to be there.

Which is then what you might get.

Either that, or they fear you are a weirdo, which means you are escorted out.

I noticed earlier this day, at the hotel, that Cinton’s personal staff was almost comfortable about me being there as long as I just had a small Leica over the shoulder.

The instant I picked up a camera bag, she got an expression of panic in her eyes.

Photographers with large cameras has unfortunately become synonymous with danger and unfriendly exposure.

Being inside a coffee bar with Clinton with four Secret Service guys I definitely fell into that category of photographers.

I should have hung back, asked for an espresso. I really should.
Coffee is good.

Anyway.

I’m out at the packed parking lot in front of the coffee bar and Oliver and I decide to hit swim through the masses and hit the road to the venue where Clinton will be speaking.

This got to be the last stop before he jumps in the car and head to the venue. He’s already late as it is.

He’s driving a Volvo, not a limo. As one security guy reportedly said at the airport: “I see the limo has shrunken into a Volvo”

The venue, Nordens Hus, is covered in security. All the place is taped in with “police – don’t enter” and a guard for every 10 meters around the building.

A Secret Service guard enters the press bus to check us out. He seem to be comforted by out smiling faces. We’re on a field trip and it’s like kindergarten. We look happy and friendly.

We’re let inside.

Me and a local photographer shooting for all the local medias are the only two photographers allowed during the actual speech. No others are allowed to bring cameras, recorders, laptops or even mobile phones into the venue.

Maybe because of the scarce amount of equipment allowed in general, I decided to bring my full camera bag with five cameras and monopod. Just to be different. I’m only using one.

A hilarious scene plays out as we try to enter the venue. We have to wait behind the line because the local police lady has been told no one was allowed to enter or exit the building after a certain time. Which was 90 minutes ago.

So we spend 10 minutes or so before the head of it all comes by, laughs about it all and then read the names of those allowed in.

The chance of a great Clinton shot inside is remote. So many pictures of Clinton delivering a speech exist and this will be another one in that series.

I shall be relaxing because I’m anyway not in need of any shots from the actual speech. Our story is about the stuff outside, before and after the speech.

I catch the audience as they enter the hall after the VIP reception which was the buffer Clinton used to visit Torshavn and have coffee.

The VIP’s might have felt lonely doing a reception without him.

Actutally, he went to another shop after the coffee bar and bought two blouses from Gudrun & Gudrun in dark grey knitwear, for his wife and daughter. I visited the shop the day after and got this photo of Gudrun knitting blouses:

Gudrun & Gudrun is super-trendy, some have probably already heard about them. Or will be hearing about them soon. Clinton bought two scarf’s like the ones hanging left in the picture as well. Those go well to the dark grey knitwear (he’s got taste, you got to admit).

It’s a small audience of 500 people and makes up the who’s who of the Faroe Islands though I have no idea who’s who.

I try to listen while I photograph. Oliver has noticed an old man in seat 8C who has fallen asleep. A quite expensive seat to take a nap in. It’s too dark to get a photo of it.

But there’s an interesting detail which most of my photos center around. The spotlight creates a shadow of Clinton on the red carpet on the side wall. I use the monopod to take similar angle shots at 1/1 second, ¼ and 1/8 second and later managed to put together one shot:

You can click it to see it larger. I like this composition with the audience rather than Clinton alone. And the two Secret Service guys by the wall.

Can you feel it?

It’s yet another Clinton moment. For 500 persons at one time. Different, requiring VIP seating and more well planned months in advance than him suddenly standing next to you on a parking lot or the streets of Torshavn.

Or in a coffee bar.

Those speeches ‘a bit artificial. You can tell some audiences feel they bought Clinton to come speak for them. And feel mighty about it.

But a Clinton moment it is. Though I like he unscheduled ones better.

I got literarily 759 shots, variations, of this. Doing the same photo for one hour.

Hmm.

I exit the place 10 minutes before Clinton is done with the question and answer period after his speech.

I want to be outside when he leaves. Also I need to know if he leaves for the airport or the hotel. If he leaves for the hotel, that would mean he will be staying and play golf or something. Which would be a completely new ballgame in terms of photo opportunities. And why not?

So I miss to see the latter part of the question and answer period with the faroe journalist and princess-looking Tórun Ellingsgaard who deliberately does not take notice of the Secret Service guys giving stronger and stronger hand-signs to get done with the interview. She continued 20 minutes or so over time. The faroe audience saw it and thought it was hilarious. They like to break rules. A bit like the Danes and the Irish for whom authorities are some you have to play mouse and cat with.

She later told me, Clinton had told her, “I have plenty of time. I don’t have to be anywhere.”

So in a way Clinton and her had agreed to run the show themselves. For 20 minutes extra.

I like that guy.

Outside I check the back entrance which he will be using but don’t like the dull look of it. So I find a nice spot on the corner by the exit to the main road. The cars will have to pass that corner and turn right. So if I place me on that spot, I will be elevated to above the windows of the cars, being nothing more than 2 meters from Clinton.

That’s a good plan.

I sit and wait. My knee hurt a bit. I have my Leica SLR with the 80mm on my left shoulder, which I want to use to photograph the caravan of cars as they approach the exit. I can probably shoot 6-8 pictures of them approaching before I have to grab the next camera:

Around my neck I have my Leica M4 with the 21mm Super-Angulon with which I want to take a 90° wideangle photo of the whole scenery, hopefully with Clinton in the center, and visible.

On my right shoulder I have a digital Leica in case there would be time to shoot with that as well.

It’ very much the way I like to work. The main shot has to be taken with an old manual camera without lightmeter and motordrive. Thus only one shot will be possible.

But what a shot.

It’s risky but it’s a great game.

Either it all works out with a razor-sharp slide film scan, a 90° wideangle shot with Clinton in the middle, with all sorts of razor-sharp details as security guys, fans and press standing on the street, security guys in the car behind Clinton, probably pointing towards me, thinking “what is that guy doing there – is that a Luger he is pointing?” I’m sitting so close to where the car will have to slow down to turn the corner, I could get a book signed.

It has the potential of becoming a great shot. And made with a camera from 1974 that’s build to resist Veitnam war, not a modern dSLR built to shoot 10 frames a second of an ex-president passing by.

I like disadvantage. It’s fun.

I also like not knowing immediately right after, if I got it or not. I particularly like that while sitting there waiting, the sun comes out! I have it from behind and usually prefer shooting against the light (another disadvantage). In this case the sun is perfect because it lit the scenery and bring out nice colors. Suits the scene.

As the cars finally approach, I see the sun is bright enough to beam through the tinted glass of the cars and lit up the faces of the people inside.

I use an external 21mm viewfinder on top of the Leica to frame. I see Clinton approaching; he’s on the phone in a big black telephone. He waves his hand to the audience in a sort of distracted way. He’s concentrating on the phone call.

Click.

I got it.

I don’t know. The beauty of this disadvantage is that it will take me days to get the slide film to a lab and get it back again.

There’s only one frame. No time for more than one click.

The post between the doors of the Volvo might have been in the middle of his face. Maybe the 1/125 was too slow. Maybe he was looking straight into the camera the instant I pressed the shutter.

Don’t know. I can just wait and hope.

In the bus I tell Oliver all this while he’s looking at the newspaper they made locally in English, with the enthusiastic “Welcome President Clinton” on the front page. I tell him about the potential photo I’m hoping for.

One with Clinton in the center, lots of sharp details of security people, police dogs, fans, flags, the wind and the sun. Every detail will represent its own moment for a person, all over the photo, from left to right.

But I also tell him the chances that I actually hit the shutter the right instant … well, they’re remote.

But what a picture it will be if I have.

Oliver understands this. He thinks alike, but in words.

Moments and details.

After having thought about it for some hours, Oliver comes back to me, asking “This picture. What if you didn’t get it?”

“Will you be talking about this picture you never got, the rest of your life?”

Hell no. That’s the whole idea of the disadvantage. You might get it, and then it’s great. But if not, thats just statistics.

Like lottery.

Anyone can take a wideangle photo with a dSLR that will be ok. But to take a perfect 21 mm wideangle shot on slide film with a manual camera – see, that’s something.

Or take portraits of Clinton on the street with 80mm f/1.4 on slide film, well knowing the 80mm f/1.4 has so narrow sharpness that half the shots will be out of focus.

But the ones in focus, circumstances being right… that’s photography!

Anyway, a week later I get the slide films back from the lab. The first frame I check is of course that one.

And here’s what I see.

It’s a lousy photo, except that you see the potential.

1/125 was clearly too slow. I almost knew that when they had passed, but then again they had to slow down but I couldn’t remember how much. Could have worked.

But what really ruined the photo is how people in it look. There’s too few of them and they are not paying attention. They are already relaxing. The security guys behind the car in the picture is clearly discussing where the coffee will be served when Clinton has gone, and if there will be one or two kinds of cheese to the bred. And the police by the entrance has turned their backs.

Some said later he was on the phone with Hillary. I said I had a feeling he was on the phone with a statesman. It looked like a statesman the way he was on the phone.

Clinton went straight to the airport. It was over.


We head back to our hotel and Oliver is now using his notebook to get the facts straight. We look at the Harley and what Clinton wrote exactly. He wrote his name and the date, October 1, 2007.

The owner comes by. We ask what pen was used, how he plan to preserve it on the bike, what the price of the bike is and stuff.

They guys hearth is still beating overtime. He looks very determined. He has a look of a guy with the only Harley in the world, Clinton has signed.

But what to do with it, how do you celebrate having a Clinton signature on your Harley..?

We pass by Clinton’s suite.
They are cleaning up and preparing it for another visitor. There’s 20 Coca Colas lined up, 20 bottles of water and 20 coffee cups. That is standard equipment in this suite, the maid tells me. Next door is the bedroom, it has a bathroom with Jacuzzi, framed in tinted glass walls so you can look through it from the bed and vice versa.

It’s a funny feeling being in his suite. So significant two hours ago, now left by Clinton, his staff and the Secret Service.

It’s a mixed feeling of invading his private sphere, yet a unique opportunity we just couldn’t resist doing a candid photo in:

Later we head downtown to run through the route again to get the details straight. I’m the kind of guy who would revisit a place to learn how things could be done differently another time in a similar situation.

With Oliver it’s a thing to do because he’s into details. The color of the wooden window frames on a certain house, the name of the coffee house, the number of parking spaces.

What kind of threes are those, he asks me, pointing at the oak threes in front of the bookstore, Clinton visited.

Stuff like that.

Then we head back to he venue where they are editing the video. They are doing a clip for each television station that wants one. They are allowed a maximum of 23 seconds of the speech. So in a van bahind the venue they are editing right now. Oliver needs to get a certain part of the speech noted correct.

There’s four or five security guys staying overnight at our hotel, but aside for that, it’s over.

Next morning I find one of the security guys looking out the window in the restaurant. He’s gone astray in the view of Torshavn:

Oliver left early as he just got a son three weeks ago.

I’ll be staying for another four days to do photos of the Faroe Islands.

The story on Clinton will later appear in Samvirke, a Danish magazine being read by about a million people.

I might get back to Faroe Islands in the coming blogs. It’s a remarkable place, even when there are no presidents around. For example I met this guy who’s the 17th generation farmer on the family farm. That is a lot of time and the fathers told their sons the stories from the past, who then told their sons those stories.

Jóhannes Patursson can speak for hours about it, about the kings, fishers and sailors in year 700, year 1100 and year 1896, as if it was someone telling you about what happened in the mall last week.

Also, there is the island of Nólsoy where only 260 people live and which is like traveling 20 years back in time, though only a 10 minutes sail trip from Torshavn.

This is their post office:

Any questions?

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Blog Comments (3):
Posted by Peter Sora... on August 24, 2008 11:13 AM
Thorsten,
You are a great writer (not only photographer); I love your Clinton report; part-III in particular, very enjoyable. Can also relate to what you say about manual photography (and have seen you on the Leica forums).

Keep up photographing and blogging!
Peter
Posted by Liz Frantz on November 25, 2007 2:48 PM
Hi there! I just came across your page while browsing uber and very much enjoyed reading about your Bill Clinton adventure. Can't wait to read more when I have a little more time on my hands. Great gallery too! I enjoyed looking through it even more
Posted by mahomo on October 21, 2007 1:00 PM
the top down shot of the audience reminded me of the film 'the parallax view' with the sniper! i'm surprised you were allowed up there ;)
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Oct 06, 2008 8:42 PM
cheers for the add, really loving the photography ;>!!
Oct 07, 2008 4:53 AM
Thanks
Oct 06, 2008 7:13 PM
i cannot express with words how talented i think you are. each one of your photos have captivated me.
Oct 07, 2008 4:54 AM
Wow, thanks a lot. I've been drifting on that remark for the last 15 hours or so ;-)
Oct 06, 2008 9:00 AM
I like your page its so awsume
Oct 07, 2008 4:54 AM
Thanks
Wid
Oct 03, 2008 9:53 PM
Thank you so much for the very kind words, Thorsten. Getting that from a working photojournalist is always a real compliment. :) I started shooting in 2005, and the oldest photo in my uber portfolio is just from 2006. Definitely hoping to be even better in years to come! Thanks once again, and cheers from Indonesia!
Oct 07, 2008 4:58 AM
Well, you're simply the most talented guy I've seen in a long time ... or longer. You're basically at a level where the only thing you should aim at developing is the message. What do you want to tell with your pictures. And I hope you don't go the "World Press" way with hopelessness but go for a the message of life, spirit and hope.
Oct 03, 2008 2:53 AM
Yay! I think your efforts are giving results, alot of people is joining in and somehow it seems even more alive now...

Greetings from México!
Oct 07, 2008 4:59 AM
Hope to be of some service. It's a great and unique community.
Oct 02, 2008 8:59 AM
I've been reading you for about a half hour now. Beautiful photos. Your children are dolls.
Cant wait to see more!
Oct 07, 2008 5:00 AM
Thanks. You just inspired me to do another post. When you see three kids in one picture, that's the one for you!
Oct 01, 2008 5:32 AM
hello there :)
thanks for the add!
what's up?
Oct 07, 2008 5:00 AM
It's all up. Yes you can!
Sep 25, 2008 6:50 AM
hi there! i'm gonna miss your work!! hope uber will do something about this shutting it down thing...
Sep 25, 2008 8:29 AM
It's not over yet!

But in any case Chris, Darren and I will be blogging as well at http://aphotocontributor.typepad.co m
Sep 19, 2008 3:07 AM
Hi, I have been watching your photography work for a bit and I really like them because it is rare from a professional photographer to shot real people with real emotions especially from famous people.
Sep 24, 2008 5:57 PM
Thanks a lot
Sep 18, 2008 9:18 AM
Hey Thorsten.
I bought myself a used Leica R4. Now I'm in the R gang too. Part of this is because of your influence. The camera isn't in perfect condition, but it was affortable. I'll run a test roll thourgh it and probably use it for a reportage on Sunday.

Feels nice. Summicron 50/2 looks good and I hope it comes up to expectation. Should be pretty similar to M.

So well, now I am even more a red-dot elitist. But I don't care, I use other cameras too, Leicas are just good. Form a first glance I think that R is largerly underrated.

Ric
Sep 18, 2008 9:27 AM
Hey, that's great. Congratulations.

Chris will be green of envy ;-) and that's his own damn fault ;-)

The R4 is actually a nice camera and a nice size and sound. And it's easy to get one as many were produced and it is said to have a "faulty electronics." (Which mean that some R4 go dead, but I've never had any problems with mine).

You can probably find an inexpensive winder or motor to go with it. Gives an even better hold on it and balance.

The 50mm f/2.0 is reputed to be one of the best 50mm lenses in the world. And still is. I find 50mm a bit dull as I prefer 80mm mostly - but I must admit I'm blown by the quality of the Summicron 50mm f/2 when I use it.
Sep 18, 2008 1:42 PM
Yes, sure. Electronics. A photographer I know, which has anything from Leicaflex to R8..., told me: look my brand new R4 went dead pretty soon. If you buy an R4 now, it most probably has survived. A visual check shows that mine works, a couple of films will tell.

As much as I love M... this R is nice. Leicaflexes are very expensive and in any case, having an electronic SLR with good exposure is pretty nice. Working with flash is easier too.

The R4 is the smallest of the series, this is also why I have chosen it. The only thing I miss is the 1/2000", which would allow me to open my lens more. The camera fits well in the hand.


80mm is nice for reportage, concert photos. I like the 50, but sometimes you can't get near enough or you need the tele-effect.

I pretty much like the 90/2 with its fancy retractable lens-hood. Probably if I find myself using the camera, I'll look for one.

I'll blog about the camera probably!

So when you come to Italy or I go to Denemark, we will have even more material for a chat, hah!

PS: I so much wished Leica would introduce a new digital back: it would keep the R system alive (no, I don't want a full digital R camera). Imagine a full-frame module! Slap it in for some newspaper work and put your slide or b&w film in when you can have more time for your images.
Sep 16, 2008 12:59 AM
Hi Thorsten,

I just downloaded one of your free e-books, 20 Portraits of 2007. Excellent work! Love the images. Are you going to release another one for 2008?

Thanks,
Mathew
Sep 18, 2008 9:28 AM
Glad you liked it. I liked the idea so I might do it again in January 2009 of the 2008 portraits.

I'm also planning to do a 2004-2008 photo book but that's a slightly bigger project. Might be a 2004-2010 book then ;-)
Sep 15, 2008 4:59 PM
Thank u so much for the Comment.

I was totally deep inside your pictures and works, this sort of life without moves, but full of energy.


I look forward that we can have the time to meet/ speak/ work together.

I' m really feeling the energy on your page.

Peace and Light.
Sep 18, 2008 9:30 AM
Well, we might work with something one day. You know I worked with Noelle? (will be blogging about it when she get her site updated)
Sep 12, 2008 8:58 AM
Your uber is really interesting
Sep 18, 2008 9:30 AM
Thanks.
Sep 09, 2008 7:39 AM
I really enjoyed reading your blog!
Sep 09, 2008 9:53 AM
Happy to hear response like that. Thanks!
Aug 25, 2008 3:47 PM
hey,

thanks for the comment. My M8 is MOSTLY a camera for personal work, so no backup unfortunately. I use Canon's for work...the minute either Leica or Mamiya release a digital rangefinder with 16-22mp, I'll ditch my Canon setup....

Anyways, great work. keep me posted.
andy
Sep 09, 2008 9:54 AM
That day will come. Wonde what will happen the day all cameras are 100MP... which qualities photographers will start looking for instead of size
Aug 19, 2008 1:04 PM
Aug 19, 2008 11:47 AM
nice page
Sep 09, 2008 9:52 AM
Thank you, belatedly!
Aug 07, 2008 8:42 PM
xoxo hope all is well!
Aug 06, 2008 5:12 AM
any chance we can see thoose judas priest shots of yours ?
Aug 11, 2008 5:19 PM
Will be doing a Rock'n roll post soon and will make sure to include them...!
Aug 11, 2008 7:10 PM
can't wait !
Jul 29, 2008 6:11 AM
Impressive work, nice gallery. I'm new to uber and your blog is great, hopefully I'll add some photos representing my country soon. I like your style as a documentary photographer, very informative and beautiful.
Jul 30, 2008 6:55 AM
Thanks. You're almost a Leica shooter with that FED camera! I kind of envy the place you live, because you can shoot so different stuff.
Sep 01, 2008 3:29 AM
Actually I haven't used the FED camra for a long time. Shooting digital now. It's too expensive for me to work fully with film and there's no proessional places to develope or print. So, I chose digital. Thanks. But the place is indeed interesting for photographing, for living it might be a bit harsh.
Jul 23, 2008 11:54 PM
Thank you so much for sharing! I agree about falling in love with your tools and staying in love with photography. I use new and old school tools. I have nice DSLR's and a point and shoot I carry all the time and old rangefinders, twin lenses - they all have good things I love about them. Sometimes you have to make choices according to situations - when I go on trips - especially overseas, I have to be really efficient and thoughtful. I will check back for you new works. Thanks,

Marilyn
Jul 24, 2008 4:18 PM
Thanks. I hope you will post more on your site.
Jun 12, 2008 1:47 PM
Thanks for your comment, your work is very inspiring.
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